Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!

How has US culture become so coarse, so quickly?1600 Daily

I subscribe to an email list from the White House “1600 Daily”. I periodically receive news alerts and “what is going on” messages from the Administration. At 9:01 am eastern on 7/20/17 I received an email that said:

Yesterday, I met with Republican Senators at the White House and told them that now is the time for action. Obamacare was a big lie. “You can keep your doctor”—lie. “You can keep your plan”—lie. Now, people are hurting, and inaction is not an option. We must repeal and replace this disaster. The Senate should not leave for summer recess until it has passed a plan to give our people great healthcare. I’m ready to act; I have pen in hand. I’ll sign the legislation into law, and then we can celebrate for the American people.

– President Donald J. Trump

“You can keep your doctor”, “You can keep your plan” are statements made by President Obama. It is not too much of a stretch to say President Trump is calling President Obama a liar.

Ronald Reagan was campaigning for election in 1984. At a visit to Portland Oregon he was greeted by protesters. During Reagan’s speech a man shouted “Liar, liar, pants on fire!” We were shocked that anyone would show the lack of civility to interrupt a President and call him a liar.

My question is not whether or not Presidents or politicians lie, but rather: What has happen in our culture when our President is able to call a previous President a liar in an “official” (I presume) White House communication?

We were appalled 33 years ago when a citizen called the President a liar. When our sitting President calls a previous President a liar, the action seems par for the course. How has US culture become so coarse, so quickly?

10 thoughts on “Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!”

  1. Personally, I don’t mind calling out people, President or not, for lying. However, it can be a term too easily thrown around for policies you disagree with. I think there are a few phases that we can go through with statements Presidents make.

    One is a statement you don’t believe or agree with and shout “liar, liar” before it’s even had a chance to happen. Example of this one Trump said he would nominate a conservative justice from his list to the SCOTUS and some said he was lying to get conservative support. He nominated Gorsuch, which most agree was in keeping with the promise.

    Another is calling something a lie that hasn’t had a chance to be fulfilled yet, for example his border wall or tax reform.

    A third phase is an unfulfilled promise such as ObamaCare repeal and replace which has stalled now and may get done eventually but disappointing for now. This still is not a lie though, just a failed attempt.

    The final phase which I would say is legitimate is a pre-meditated lie which some would say Obama’s statements above were, and I would not necessarily doubt that, but can’t prove it.

    Just my thoughts.

    1. Hi Daniel,

      I pretty much track with what you’re saying here. I agree that if anyone should be called out for lying, it is the President. When it came down to it, I did not think that Trump would nominate a conservative Supreme Court justice. When he did, I was pleasantly surprised. However, if he had not nominated a conservative Supreme Court justice I would not have necessarily thought that what he did was a lie. In order to lie, you need to have intent, which is very difficult to prove. And I would agree that you cannot prove that Obama’s statements were premeditated.

      The point I was trying to make is that our nation has changed considerably over the last several decades. We used to have a greater respect for truth. Do you think we have less respect for the truth now then we did several years ago?

    2. “Do you think we have less respect for the truth now then we did several years ago?”

      Just based on my worldview I would agree and figure this will continue down that path until Christ’s return due to man’s sinful nature. In my opinion, things will always keep getting worse due to sin. That doesn’t remove our responsibility to do all for God’s glory and make any difference we can. Just like before the Flood, though, things will keep getting worse until He returns. Thankfully He has given us that promise.

      1. Yes, I agree – it is certainly feasible the US will face drastic changes before the end of the age.

        “That doesn’t remove our responsibility to do all for God’s glory and make any difference we can.” Amen! Do you think believers have unique responsibility in this cultural climate?

  2. Our culture has deteriorated so badly that it seems to be caring over into the voices of our leaders. But is it not a “lie” of what ex-President said? I agree this is unbecoming of a sitting or non-sitting President. However, look at any of the new media and how they bash Trump. This is dishonoring to the respect of the office. I would only pray that President Trump would think before speaking.

    1. “I agree this is unbecoming of a sitting or non-sitting President. However, look at any of the new media and how they bash Trump.”

      How can one NOT bash a president who is looking to block an investigation of his activities and is already speaking of pardoning family members and pardoning himself?

      Let’s step back and think about this: only six months into office, and he is already speaking of pardons for family and for himself. Six months.

      Talk about problems with our culture! This is what we get when we elect such a morally questionable man to our nation’s highest office. A possible constitutional crisis.

    2. Jeff,

      I posted this above as one of my points: “One is a statement you don’t believe or agree with and shout “liar, liar” before it’s even had a chance to happen.”

      You’re pronouncing him guilty before ANY evidence has shown otherwise. Aside from the crippling evidence of him (gasp) being at a conference with Putin that we knew beforehand they would both be at. The mainstream media has an agenda to destroy Trump or anyone opposing them and their allies agenda, morals of the man aside. If Jesus were President they’d call him bigoted for his stance on gay marriage. Trump’s morals have nothing to do with their opposition. His morals add fuel to the fire, and that is Trump’s fault no question, but they’d do it regardless.

      To me, him saying he’d pardon himself is a non-issue, cause if he’s guilty he would be impeached and not get away with it. If he’s innocent then it’s irrelevant. He may fear, legitimately, that the investigators in this case would try to manufacture false evidence against him. Believe me, the left wouldn’t hesitate to do it if they thought it would work.

      The real crime of all this distraction is impeding Trump the chance to get actual things done that could benefit the country like tax reform, rebuilding infrastructure, immigration reform, etc. But the media and Democrats care more about getting their power back than doing things to benefit the country.

      “A possible constitutional crisis.”

      Funny you’d cite Trump for going against the Constitution when his opposition throws dirt on it left and right. Like the travel ban or not, the lower courts ruling against the President is in direct defiance to the powers the President has in the Constitution. I’d call it a crisis when the courts overstep their authority to hamstring agenda they simply disagree with.

      Sorry, got into a bit of a rant, but it happens to us all I guess. Especially when BOTH parties contribute to the circus.

    3. Jeff,

      Just been looking. When or where exactly did President Trump speak of pardoning family members or himself?

      We have this one tweet from him: “While all agree the U. S. President has the complete power to pardon, why think of that when only crime so far is LEAKS against us.FAKE NEWS”.

      And as far as the investigation, his concern is that Robert Mueller has a conflict of interest, notably due to his friendship with Comey among other things. A logical concern.

      Seems like he is denying a need to pardon and never said what you and many news outlets claim. As I said above, if he is innocent, pardoning is irrelevant. The closest we have is “according to people familiar”. That is not very strong evidence. Can you not wait for facts, REAL facts, before forming an opinion and not mere conjecture from sources with questionable impartiality?

  3. “Can you not wait for facts, REAL facts, before forming an opinion and not mere conjecture from sources with questionable impartiality?”

    To ask Jeff Adams to wait for “REAL facts” is to ask an impossibility.

    Jeff, here is his exact tweet on pardoning:
    “While all agree the U. S. President has the complete power to pardon, why think of that when only crime so far is LEAKS against us. FAKE NEWS,”

    Sounds to me like he believes the only crime that would need pardoning is the illegal leaks. So, “How can one NOT bash a president who is looking to block an investigation of his activities and is already speaking of pardoning family members and pardoning himself?” I will tell you how. When the thing he is being bashed for is not true.

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